just another day in the life of freedom

Search

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
1,991
Tokens
The United States, as every child educated in a public school knows, is guilty of terrible sins against minorities, women and the Third World. When these kids reach college, they are taught even more tendentious nonsense about the rest of the world -- about how peace loving and benevolent other nations are compared with us.







So, let's just take a typical day in the life of freedom around the world. In Kuwait, criminal charges have been filed against a leading journalist, Mohammed Jassem, editor of al-Watan and, according to The Washington Post, "an outspoken advocate of political reform in the wealthy Persian Gulf state."


Jassem's crime? He criticized the royal family. He did it, by the way, at a private gathering, not in the newspaper.


For two years, Jassem has been lobbying against a proposal to give the government more power to close newspapers. A 1970 law prescribes prison for anyone who "objects to the rights and powers of the emir publicly" or "utters abusive statements against the emir personally or reviles the regime of the emirate." Advocating freedom can get you arrested in Kuwait.


This charge pairs with another last month in Saudi Arabia, where an editor, Jamal Khashoggi, was stripped of his post after he argued in print that Saudi clerics bore some responsibility for the spread of Islamic extremism around the globe.


In the People's Republic of Vietnam, Pham Hong Son was sentenced to 13 years in prison after a one-day closed trial. His crime? The regime declared him guilty of contacts with "political opportunists" and "reactionary forces overseas." If you think those reactionary forces might be us, you'd be right. Apparently, Pham Hong Son pulled an article titled "What is Democracy" from the U.S. State Department's website, translated it and posted it on the Internet.


In Nigeria, The Center for Law Enforcement Education has sued the Nigerian Customs Service for confiscating a book. In September 2002, 2,000 copies of a book titled "Hope Betrayed" were confiscated by the customs service at Murtal Muhammed International Airport without explanation. The book detailed state-sponsored violence and human rights abuses in Nigeria.


In Morocco, an appeals court upheld the conviction of a Moroccan editor found guilty of libeling King Mohammed VI. Ali Lamrabet was sentenced to four years in prison for publishing four articles in satirical magazines. Lamrabet has taken aim at the King's personal budget, as well as the history of slavery in Morocco.


And in Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called out the thugs to deal with student and other protests against his despotic and brutal regime. The regime's enforcers attacked students in Tehran with Kalashnikov rifles, pistols, chains, razors and clubs. Despite this, protesters continue to throng Iran's streets hoping to topple the theocrats who rule there.


Against this backdrop arrives news of a new poll by the British Broadcasting Corp.n testing attitudes toward the United States in 11 countries: Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, France, Indonesia, Israel, Jordan, Russia, South Korea and the United States itself.


Fifty-eight percent had a "fairly unfavorable" or "very unfavorable" view of George W. Bush. Sixty-seven percent said they would not like their country to emulate U.S. economic policies. Only 25 percent (with American responses excluded) thought the U.S. was making the world a safer place. Sixty-five percent characterized the United States as "arrogant." Fifty-six percent thought the United States was wrong to attack Iraq, and America was viewed as a greater threat to peace than Russia, China, Syria, Iran or North Korea.


What's the relation of the poll to the stories of repression around the world? It's this: Most of the world undervalues the United States. Perhaps that's the result of envy, or perfidy, or something else. But too often we join in the general condemnation.


We've certainly got our faults. But just a cursory glance at the state of freedom in the rest of the world on any given day should remind us of how lucky we are to be Americans.



thanks mona charen
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
323
Tokens
Try living in Japan where there is no escaping debts under any circumstances. There's hardly a such thing as a personal bankruptcy.
You have two choices.
1. Suicide.
2. Slave labor, getting 75% of your wages garnished on a debt where the % meter keeps running.
Most choose option #1.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
1,991
Tokens
gringo.....you seem like a decent fella......why so much self-loathing for your own country.....i know we are resented and hated outside the country.....but,that goes with the territory....the most prosperous,the strongest militarily....the best place for opportunity(ask hundreds of thousands of mexicans streaming across the border every year)....freedom to say and do as you please(as long as it`s politically correct).......freedom to come and go as you please...

i can understand the jack dee`s and some of the others from "parts unknown".....i can understand the landers and the other people that hate anything other than liberal democratic ideals and philosophy....party line guys that haven`t the capability or inclinantion for individual thought....

i`m not a republican or a democrat...but the anti-american,anti-administration whining is really ridiculous and not commensurate with the perceived threat they represent....saddam is gone....the world has to be a better place for that......why couldn`t saddam fess up as to what he did with the chemical and biological weapons evryone including bill clinton knew he had....just say how he disposed of it....come clean as the u.n. requested?.....why not just give an explanantion as to where it went and how it was disposed of?....i have yet to hear anyone give a rational explanation or answer to that question...

the united states is in the bullseye of muslim radicals....we have been attacked on our own soil....suffering thousands of casualties...a country with the resources and power of the u.s. could wreak untold havoc on basically anyone it perceived as a threat.....i don`t think the responses have been outrageous...granted,not the usual european answer of "sit there and wring your hands and hope it goes away"(i.e. ww2)....

as a gringo,i surmise that you are american...

as i have said many times before....what would be an acceptable alternative to the u.s. as super power?....would it have been better for the ussr to have won the cold war?.....

for china to be the super power?...those are basically the alternatives...

i think alot of the whining will stop when we eventually get a democratic president....which will happen at some point...

but it really won`t change things that drastically...clinton was hot on saddam`s ass when he was president....

republican or democrat...it`s not gonna make that much difference...
it`s easy to complain...but,after living here and enjoying all that our country has to offer,i agree with you....it is very hard to see outside....when things are so damned good inside....not sure i need to see that view...

just curious as to why you have such animosity.....are you just a politico that will be salved when the republicans leave office?....if so,then i understand....
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
852
Tokens
Yes I'm an American.

Anytime you have someone, or a country in power, you generate hate. That is pretty simple and can not be avoided. But it can be lessened to a certain degree. To ignore it and say we are the best and that is why people hate us, just makes the problem worse.

To really see what is going on in the world, one has to step outside the US and live in other countries. Unfortunately for most of the Americans they don't get to see things from that perspective. That was all I was getting at. Many times living in other countries is different than the US. That does not mean it is worse. Everyone from other countries wants to get inside the US. That is granted. Trust me I know this from my Columbian wife harassing me. Life in the US, in many states, is too rushed. Too material based.

On the other hand, without my US passport I wouldn't have the freedom to move around the world as I please.

I try not to get involved in politics. I could care less whether there is a republican or democrat in office.

I hope some day you have the time and the opportunity to make the leap of faith to leave the US. It's not an easy step to take. You really have to give yourself a couple of years. At that point you will have seen outside the box.

Plenty of gringos go back home after a few years, but they all have a new view of the world. Most of them don't make it past 7 years. I've been out for 5 now. I think I'm a "lifer" but time will tell.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2002
Messages
2,954
Tokens
"The United States, as every child educated in a public school knows, is guilty of terrible sins against minorities, women and the Third World. When these kids reach college, they are taught even more tendentious nonsense about the rest of the world "

Are you for real spinct.? You mean US is the SINGLE country in the world were state/nation propaganda is actually lying not in favour of but against the state/nation?
 

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
1,991
Tokens
jack...thanks for posing a legit question respectfully.....in the u.s.,the media is not state run......as a matter of fact,if you saw the press briefings during the iraq war,you`d see that the media was downright antagonistic and combative.....

we have outlets that are basically very pro bush(fox)....and some counterbalance in cnn....with msnbc kind of filling in the gaps...

you may disagree,but,for the most part,the main stream media in the u.s. is not in love with dubya.....and the majority of the university intellectual elite has no use for him either...

textbooks are are being "adjusted" in the u.s. on an ongoing basis to try and balance the historical impact of the white man and to try and represent a more politically correct historical picture....

is that good or bad?.....right or wrong?.....that depends on your philosophical bent......
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
3,595
Tokens
If you truly love america, you will not look at it in relative terms. TO say "at least we dont live here...or at least we dont live there does is not copasetic with THE CONSTITUTION>

THe fact is, having freedom gradually stolen from you,(ie the patriot act, rave act, prohibition etc...) is terrible, and unamerican. I base my ideologies on the constitution...not in relative terms to desolate places.

I live in America. I have lived a quinessential american life. Lived in suburban homes, drove my parents sport utility vehicles, bbq's, coffee,beer, and baseball. I realize I am lucky to have been born here.

That doesnt change the fact the constitution has been relagated to white house toilet paper, and I will bitch and moan, and cry, for our freedoms to be restored and protected untilI die. Treasonous label be dammed. Why? Thats what the term democracy is suppsed to mean. Sum of our parts? I have never laughed harder. I feel less free everyday.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2002
Messages
2,954
Tokens
"in the u.s.,the media is not state run......"

when i said state i did not mean it in the narrow sense, but in the broad sense of the power structure within a nation state. In that sense, schools are an intricate part of nation state system in instilling the appropriate state propaganda, the u.s. can be no different than ANY country in the world on that matter. It's not inherent in state institutions, such as schools, churches, media, etc. to challenge the basic funtions and the power structure in that nation state, otherwise, the nation/state would fall apart. Of course a fascist state will be much more overtly propagandist, or at least enforce the propaganda and mechanisms of control in more brutal and crude way, than a supposedly democratic one than the states. That does not make the states any less a propagandist according to their interests than other fascist states.

In fact, as someone has said, the u.s. is the most successfully suppresive regime in the world, supression and mind control does not mean locking dissenters away in jails, although the u.s. has indeed done that numerous time, suppresion if far more effective if you can get an 18 to think that karl marx is one of the marx brothers, if you can get them to eat burgers, watch opra and shoot each other up in ghetos instead of struggling for their civil rights as the black panthers did.

To say that american public schools teach pupils to hate america, is like saying that the u.s. of a is the single nation state in the world with a split identity and a self-destructive tendency. I wish it were true, but it's obviously not.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
323
Tokens
"To say that american public schools teach pupils to hate america, is like saying that the u.s. of a is the single nation state in the world with a split identity and a self-destructive tendency. I wish it were true, but it's obviously not."

Got to say I feel the same about Greece. You guys haven't exactly been innocent little angels yourselves in recent history.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2002
Messages
2,954
Tokens
tanaka, thanks for the reply to my post, oh wait, it wasn't one, it was just a random quote.

well, yeah, greeks have been on the forefront of imperialism, war, and ploundering greed the past 500 years, as under Turkish rule, in both world wars when they were one of the very few nations to "imperialisticaly" wage war on the germans and italians.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
323
Tokens
Actually Jack, you're right. It was just a random quote out of left-field and I've been slamming people in other posts for doing that to me. Gomen Nasai (sorry in Japanese)

Actually I have nothing against the Greeks. Don't have a strong opinion either way. You're food IS mighty tasty though.
icon_wink.gif


There was a point I was trying to make with my statement but nevermind. That's a whole other topic.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
1,991
Tokens
jack....you have a right to your opinion....but,you really lack objectivity about the usa....i can`t say i`ve come across anyone with more out and out hatred of the usa than yourself....i don`t think anything i or anyone else could say would make one whit of difference....you seem so deeply entrenched in your anti-usa views....

to say that the usa is one of the most repressive regimes in the world is ludicrous.......regimes?......we have free elections every 4 years.....it`s not a regime...it`s a government elected by the people.....

you obviously don`t like our foreign policy....or our government....or our fat burger gobbling people...

we can agree to disgree...

are you a communist/marxist/anarchist? just curious.......
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2002
Messages
2,954
Tokens
mr.tanaka, point well taken.

sphinct: "i can`t say i`ve come across anyone with more out and out hatred of the usa than yourself"

I wont argue with that, i might not like a lot of things about the u.s., and admittedly the states are not in my top 10 list of places to visit or live in, maybe not in my top 20 either, but there are a lot of americans, and american "things" which i both like and admire. I dont know how got that impression. Secondly, when i try to make a a valid point please dont throw a sentimentalist labelling tactic at me, "you are such and such" and answer to the point if you like to, this is old propaganda tactics and i am frankly getting very bored with em.

"to say that the usa is one of the most repressive regimes in the world is ludicrous.......regimes?......we have free elections every 4 years.....it`s not a regime...it`s a government elected by the people....."
I did not say that they were the MOST repressive regime but the most SUCCESFULLY repressive, that's the whole point i am trying to make, that succesful repression is not the threat of a gun in your head and a boot in your face, but a succesfully brainwashed citizen. Please re-read my point where i make this clear. And, i used regime in a broad sense, there are fascist regimes and "democratic" ones.

As for what i am, i dont even know, i am obviously not into right wing politics apologists, economists, politicians, philosophers etc. I ve spend a good deal of my time trying to form an informed opinion about man as a "political animal", about the possibilities and the realities of human political and societal formations. I certainly like and agree with a lot of marxist/anarchist's thinking but i also disagree with a whole lot from that canon. Some of the traits i despise are shortsighted-ness, ignorance, stupidity(not as much as ignorance though), blindness, greed, barbarism, things i find in abundance in the u.s. leadership and power structure (as well as that of other countries, england, italy etc.) I like to think myself as a leftist progressive, but i am more right wing than most leftists are, as well as far more leftist than any right winger could ever become.

What i also despise is hypocrisy, i have some fragments of respect for a corrupt capitalist say, who comes out and says "yeah, we took your land, labour and resources away from you, because we are in power, and can do that", but i got NONE whatsover for hired media lackeys, or university professors who find all sorts of rationalizations and faulty (non)logic to cover such acts up in pseudophilosophoeconomic bullshit.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2002
Messages
2,954
Tokens
BTW, i ve just read chonce's post which admiteddly i d missed out first out round, and i couln't agree more, very well thought out premise.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
1,991
Tokens
don`t see in this post where i used a "sentimentalist labeling tactic" .....i just tried to get a line on your political philosophy so i can better understand your point of view...

things may be turning your way here in the states...as i indicated,we are now in a ''politically correct" phase in our country.....kind of a cultural marxism....maybe that`s a little extreme....but,there is a slight hint of totalitarianism in political correctness...the notion that certain things MUST be true...

but,it seems that over recent history,"regimes" that rely on expropriation of property and possesions have not faired well....incentives and motivation die....hope dies...stagnation....

the crumbling of the berlin wall...the cold war in it`s entirety....it seems as though history has spoken...at least for now...

jack,you absolutely have every right to your opinion....we disagree...that`s obvious...

that`s o.k.....appreciate the debate...
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,119,149
Messages
13,564,578
Members
100,752
Latest member
gamebet888host
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com